Comments on: SE Practitioners React to the Notion of a “Forgetting Pill” https://traumahealing.org/se-practitioners-react-to-forgetting-pill/ Somatic Experiencing International is the educational and humanitarian home for the SE™ method of trauma resolution Mon, 13 Apr 2026 15:23:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.2 By: Jeanette Oki https://traumahealing.org/se-practitioners-react-to-forgetting-pill/#comment-224 Thu, 28 Jun 2012 02:48:19 +0000 http://ac6.ab6.mwp.accessdomain.com/beyond-trauma-blog/?p=297#comment-224 This is interesting. Of course, if you can do SE, why take a drug? But, I wonder. If with this technique, you remove the charge (the amygdala responses; the trauma symptoms) that comes with the narrative, then what happens to that SIBAM and neurological pattern that were symptoms. When the “erasure” occurs, is it complete or does the neuro pattern remain dysfunctional but at a quieter level and the overt symptoms, the peaks, disappear. And then, when the cured person encounters heightened levels of stress that are related to current events, a similar traumatic pattern might assert itself, since the resiliency of the nervous system has not been improved. Maybe the overt hysteria, fear, pain doesn’t occur with that particular narrative trigger, but it seems there would remain a familiar chain of associations and somatic (autonomic and neuromuscular) patterns that would show up if the person encountered actual other hazardous events. A default reaction pattern without a named cause. Another, thing that is missed with the “forgetting pill”, is the person does not learn the self mastery; the communication between psyche and body. People are usually seeking relief, I know, but self mastery through embodiment could help evolve humanity in a way that pharma won’t.

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By: Richard Green https://traumahealing.org/se-practitioners-react-to-forgetting-pill/#comment-223 Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:18:29 +0000 http://ac6.ab6.mwp.accessdomain.com/beyond-trauma-blog/?p=297#comment-223 The experiences that cause us the most suffering can also be the most precious. The important thing in SE for me is that a person who has experienced trauma and recovered from it is deeper and wiser than if none if it had happened. Our job is to make sure our clients come through to the deeper/wiser bit.

Recently I lost my mother. A painful experience but necessary, and after grieving I feel I learned some important things about life from it. I would not take a pill in order to forget that she died.

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By: Jan Crawford https://traumahealing.org/se-practitioners-react-to-forgetting-pill/#comment-222 Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:23:12 +0000 http://ac6.ab6.mwp.accessdomain.com/beyond-trauma-blog/?p=297#comment-222 Another Pill
Can anything be wiped
from the timeless mirror
and not lose
the connection
with life’s continuous
breath promising
fullness in any
moment if there is no
one and no experience
excluded?
And would it be this
torment or that horror
or the unbearable loss
or the uncompleted
good farewell that was chosen
for exclusion?
And would my soul be
stronger and larger and
more clearly a part of the
one thing that excludes
nothing?
Or is resurrection ongoing
and an instinct – touched
only by opening to an
undiluted yes?

The question of a pill to erase memory is compelling and reaches into the depths of what it is to be human and what makes the soul grow. And when I think about my own traumas and wonder which of them I might benefit from exclusing I become unclear. There are several from which I see no obvious benefit. However, I’m not sure. How would I be different? Who would I have touched less or more?

We do know refined support fosters recovery of our fuller humanity. Perhaps we should just continue to show the beautiful ways that can work.

Jan Crawford

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By: Lubby Martinson, SEP https://traumahealing.org/se-practitioners-react-to-forgetting-pill/#comment-221 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 03:56:50 +0000 http://ac6.ab6.mwp.accessdomain.com/beyond-trauma-blog/?p=297#comment-221 In reply to Brian J. Whelan, LCSW, CST, SEP.

Brian,

Were you able to go to Peter’s class on memory and emotion? This article seems to be focused in the same direction. I am hoping that he offers it again at a time that I can attend. Thank you for suggesting I re-read the article. I read the first time with a closed mind.

I have a client that I have been working with for years who had “memories” of things that her mind created to explain preverbal abuse. When her sister told her what actually happened, she finally had a real story to go with the sensations and it was actually making sense to her. I saw how emotion linked to sensation created a need for these false memories. Her mind needed an explanation in order to accept or “understand” the sensations that she was experiencing.

I will maintain an open mind on this issue to see what comes forth in the future. It will be interesting to see where it goes.

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By: Brian J. Whelan, LCSW, CST, SEP https://traumahealing.org/se-practitioners-react-to-forgetting-pill/#comment-220 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 22:34:52 +0000 http://ac6.ab6.mwp.accessdomain.com/beyond-trauma-blog/?p=297#comment-220 This is a link to and original work by Karim Nadir. In this he doesn’t not use the terminology of “erase” at all but more scientifically accepted concepts related to memory formation and consolidation hypotheses. This article is much more informative than the more pop version of the article we reviewed. http://www.neuroscience.ubc.ca/Courses/Nader_2009_Nat_Rev_Neurosci.pdf

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By: Brian J. Whelan, LCSW, CST, SEP https://traumahealing.org/se-practitioners-react-to-forgetting-pill/#comment-219 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:59:25 +0000 http://ac6.ab6.mwp.accessdomain.com/beyond-trauma-blog/?p=297#comment-219 I was most definitely using the word “erase” by qualifying it and using a unique definition. My point is that I don’t think that what the authors of the article are actually doing is really “erasing” anything either and probably should have used a better word for what is actually transpiring in their experiments.

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By: Brian J. Whelan, LCSW, CST, SEP https://traumahealing.org/se-practitioners-react-to-forgetting-pill/#comment-218 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 17:57:27 +0000 http://ac6.ab6.mwp.accessdomain.com/beyond-trauma-blog/?p=297#comment-218 Joseph Ledoux, one of the formost experts in neuroscience, is cited throughout this article. It was his understudy who did the research that led to this discovery of being able to “erase” memories. Peter references Joseph Ledoux in his new book and Joseph LeDoux’s book The Synaptic Self: How our Brains Become Who We Are is recommended reading for the SE therapist. I now am of the opinion that it should be required reading. Again, as I said before, what they are manipulating in these studies is exactly the same process that we are tapping into when we resolve a trauma using SE®. We have just collectively denounce the scientific foundation for much of what we do.

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By: Terésa Stern https://traumahealing.org/se-practitioners-react-to-forgetting-pill/#comment-217 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:52:48 +0000 http://ac6.ab6.mwp.accessdomain.com/beyond-trauma-blog/?p=297#comment-217 I have to agree with the comment Serge Prengel made (above) about a memory being part of an ecosystem. A memory, neurobiologically, is not a single thing that can be excised. It is connected to countless neural pathways that affect our thoughts, muscles, organs, hormones, emotions, relationships, cognition, and other memories. The idea of something akin to surgically removing a memory strikes me as dehumanizing. We are not collections of little parts and widgets; we are complex organisms in which each part is connected to another. I have to wonder whether this is another idea designed to make managed care cheaper and more “efficient”. If only it were that easy.

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By: Judithann David https://traumahealing.org/se-practitioners-react-to-forgetting-pill/#comment-216 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 11:27:33 +0000 http://ac6.ab6.mwp.accessdomain.com/beyond-trauma-blog/?p=297#comment-216 Erasing memories is part of what I do as an SE practitioner. But I hardly think a pill could be as situation specific or as memory specific as the work I do. It occurs to me–why has no one looked up the specific source? What is the nature of this research? Is the study well designed? What type of memories are being erased? How is this done even given a pill is being used? It seems to me that we are having all kinds of reactions to an idea, but not to the actual research that purportedly substantiates this idea. Let’s investigate!

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By: Brian J. Whelan, LCSW, CST, SEP https://traumahealing.org/se-practitioners-react-to-forgetting-pill/#comment-215 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 03:39:46 +0000 http://ac6.ab6.mwp.accessdomain.com/beyond-trauma-blog/?p=297#comment-215 I have a completely different take on it than the other contributions thus far.

This is honestly one of the most exciting pieces of research an SE therapist could hope for. Somatic Experiencing® is the process of doing exactly what this drug essentially does. Every word of this article is complete validation for everything we do in an SE session and why what we do works. Essentially, we too are “erasing” memories. I will explain what I mean.

The article asserts that “Memories are not formed and then pristinely maintained, . . they are formed and then rebuilt every time they’re accessed. ” It goes on to say “The larger lesson is that because our memories are formed by the act of remembering them, controlling the conditions under which they are recalled can actually change their content.” Each time we have a client access a memory, track the sensations and complete and incomplete defensive response. . . we have essentially changed (“erased”) an aspect of their memory and replaced it with a new memory. It has been newly consolidated with the completed defensive response, the competent protector, our compassionate presence or other such modification that actually “erases” the memory as it once existed and replaces it with a newly modified version of “reality”. In the future when they think of the original incident, the memory, now has the new association of empowered action, support, etc that was missing. A good SE therapist is harnessing the same principles this drug works on. In our sessions “a network of cells is constantly being reconsolidated, rewritten, remade.” It is the beauty of SE® and why our work is so powerful at changing peoples perspective on their trauma.

As Karim Nader states “Anything can change memory. This technology isn’t new. It’s just a better version of an existing biological process.” The article points out that talk therapy is rather inefficient at changing memories and can often result in the driving the actual traumatic memory deeper into the persons associations. SE® therapists are very conscious of not having the client re-live or re-expience the memory as it actually happened, even if it is solely by introducing time and slowing the process way down. Accessing an aspect of memory and then slowing down the process in an SE® session “erases” the memory as it happened and reconsolidates it into a new memory which isn’t how the actual original memory was formed.

The article also addresses the process of “uncoupling” aspects of the memory from the actual event. “By coupling these amnesia cocktails to the memory reconsolidation process, it’s possible to get even more specific . . . . By injecting a protein synthesis inhibitor before the rats were exposed to only one of the sounds—and therefore before they underwent memory reconsolidation—the rats could be “trained” to forget the fear associated with that particular tone. “Only the first link was gone,” This is essentially what we are working with when we work with one element of SIBAM. We might work with just the sound of the car accident, bringing the memory up into consciousness and pairing it with a more pleasant sound. Eventually as we do this the sound of breaking glass gets uncoupled from the memory of the car accident. The rest of the elements of the trauma from the car accident are still in place, but with one aspect of the memory “erased”. The sound is no part of the memory and cannot therefore trigger it. Indeed, now the sound of breaking glass may trigger fond memories of birds chirping in the spring. The “pill” is essentially doing the same thing, with the exception that in SE® we can be much more creative, nuanced and refined and the memory can be reshaped or erased and reformed in limitless possibilities unique to the individuals own biological wisdom. The client learns a capacity that is their evolutionary heritage and birthright and need not be dependent on Big Pharma.

I encourage every SE® therapist to re-read this article with different lens and perspective. As you read the article, look for how it is informing and giving validation for everything that you do as an SE® therapist.

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